This week’s episode continues the conversation Tracy and Chris enjoy with Charlie Dawes. As a servant leader, Charlie talks about life and ministry. Life is not always easy. Ministry is not always easy. But serving Jesus and loving people are the true goals for today’s leaders. Education, a life of learning, finding mentors, valuing pastoral care, pursuing God in healthy ways, vocational ministry: realizing we can only take people as deep as we ourselves have gone. Taking the right steps. Accepting the value of training and growth. Read Charlie’s book, Simple Prayer. Listen to his heart. Pursue the best method of learning for yourself and those you lead.