Chris and Tracy enjoyed a wonderful conversation with singer, songwriter Elias Dummer. Elias has been involved in various bands and worship teams. In this episode, Elias tells his story. His band City Harmonic, his church involvement, and his desire for building a community of faith reveal his hope for being like Jesus and following Him. As he talks, his wise mind and caring heart are obvious. Neuroscience, academic research, data studies, worship trends, merging various denominations together, pastoral gatherings, writing, church planting, loving his family, marketing: the story of Elias offers many components. His thoughts provide an inspiring and challenging segment for today’s leaders.