In this episode of Next Step Leadership, Chris and Tracy enjoy an amazing conversation with filmmaker, media consultant, writer, and speaker Phil Cooke. Phil offers wisdom on leading creative people. Today’s leaders need to apply modern methods of learning, marketing, ministering, and mentoring. Through Phil’s wisdom and experience, he gives great insight on what works best in our busy society. How can we engage in this modern culture? How can we welcome people instead of driving them away? Media is a key part of how we lead. Phil’s production and consulting helps churches and ministries use media more effectively. Listen and learn, seeking to discern what works best for you and your team.